Comments on: Ty Corbin and the “Haters” http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/ The ESPN TrueHoop Utah Jazz Site Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:05:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Clint Johnson http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-43276 Thu, 01 May 2014 16:40:34 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-43276 Good point, Laura. I guess I compare fan reaction not to big market situations but to past Jazz coaches. Tyrone Corbin is no Jerry Sloan, but there is an awful lot of Jerry Sloan in his perspective, philosophy, and even approach to the media. I saw Corbin fervently attacked for things I could imagine Sloan doing or saying and getting away with.

I like to think Jazz fans are, in large part, particularly astute when it comes to the game. That belief took a hit with the frequent straw man criticisms I saw tossed Corbin’s way.

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By: LKA http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-33435 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 22:36:50 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-33435 And RJ, Marvin, and Ty got paid a way lot more money than I will ever see for the past year. And along with their talents I don’t feel sorry for any one of them.

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By: Clint Peterson http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31986 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:02:12 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31986 It’s hard to read this as someone presenting an unbiased view when the presenter was very solidly on the #firety bandwagon for a very long time. Fun for those who supported it though, I’m sure.

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By: cw http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31740 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:20:25 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31740 I think Hornecek did a great job, but the Suns added a lot of new players including Bledsoe so there is no way to reasonably compare the effect of the coach from this year to last.

This is what I’m saying about amateurish evaluations. They are based on meaningless comparisons and extrapolations, there is no data behind them. Like they idea that you can cherrypick a few statements out of thousands by a coach and declare them negative and then extrapolate some assessment of his leadership abilites. Or use the records of two coaches on two very different teams to suggest something about the effect coaches have on winning. The bulls have just lost two home playoff games to the Wizards. They are most likely toast, Does that make Randy Whitman better than Thibidou? No. It’s a lot more complicated than that.

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By: Laura http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31735 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:12:00 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31735 I’ve learned a few things from this comment: I spell my name wrong, I’m negative, and quite possibly the leader of the “haters.” So tempting to stoop a level or two, but that’s not the right thing to do here. Johnny, you clearly care passionately about the Jazz and put a lot of thought into your comment here and for that I thank you. If we all agreed around here, things wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining, would they? However, I disagree with many apsects of your comment, and others have already tackled a few areas in which I disagree.

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By: cw http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31731 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:06:42 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31731 and Kevin pelton’s work has NOT been thrown out by “those in the know.” Again, if you have a link….

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By: Laura http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31728 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:04:17 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31728 Very insightful comments, Clint (as usual!). I’m curious if you think fan treatment of him was worse than if he had been in, say, LA or NYC. I see comments about D’Antoni quite a bit–since I live in Southern California–and it seems to me like Corbin got a lot less than MDA does. Maybe it’s just the age of social media, the Internet, and the ability to criticize or insult facelessly? Not that it makes it okay, but I wonder how much of that plays into it.

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By: Laura http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31723 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:00:14 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31723 Agreed, Aaron, on both of your steps here. Also agreed on “Saying it’s easy to criticize doesn’t automatically refute the criticisms.” I think many folks in Jazz fandom also agree that Corbin is a very good guy–just not the one many wanted as the coach moving forward. That doesn’t detract from his character or his being a good person. Yes, his circumstances were less than ideal, but so were Brett Brown’s, and the way he handled the criticism and the press was just flawless to me. He was completely confident in what he was doing and he KNEW what he was getting into: he wasn’t going to be getting wins; he was about building something and developing something long-term. Reading Brown’s comments just made me wish that Corbin could have taken a page or two out of that book.

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By: Laura http://saltcityhoops.com/corbin-haters/#comment-31718 Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:56:32 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=11134#comment-31718 “Kevin Pelton estimates that the difference a coach makes is about 4 or 5 games plus or minus.”

Tell that to the Suns.

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