Comments on: The Bipolarity of Jazz Fandom http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/ The ESPN TrueHoop Utah Jazz Site Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:57:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: brettm73 (@brettm73) http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94507 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:51:34 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94507 Well-said. How I feel exactly.

I wonder how loyal and motivated AK felt after the fans whined and complained about his contract every article?

I’m excited about Dante (who wouldn’t be?) but he hasn’t even been on an NBA court yet (can you say excited to watch Summer League!?!) Even if Dante pans out as a bonafide all-star, you need a great backcourt to facilitate.

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By: Clint Applegarth http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94504 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 07:10:19 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94504 You have to match Hayward at any costs. What will Utah do with that money if they don’t? O make another stupid money deal for trash like they did with the Golden State players? That is completely stupid. Lets start building for the future around Hayward, Favors, Exum, Burke, and Burks. Lets not pull another stupid move and let a great SG/SF walk like we did with Wes Mathews who is killing it in Portland. I bet Utah wishes they had that one back.

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By: JP http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94503 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 05:25:56 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94503 Ummm…do you live in Colorado?

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By: JP http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94502 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 05:21:42 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94502 I’m one of the “silent” on-the-fence folks when it comes to Hayward. Sure, I hope the Jazz keep him, but I certainly don’t think he’s worth a max contract (think AK). Hayward is soooo inconsistent; he can’t be relied on to score or close out a game (or not throw the ball away) when needed, which is what you expect your MAX contract player to be able to do. You never know which Hayward will show up to a game. Plus his shooting has actually declined since his rookie year and was pretty mediocre this past season. What’s up with that? There are a lot of FAs that are as good or better. If the Cavs think he’s worth $15M, then I say buh-bye. However, over the past several years Jazz management has been known to make some dumb decisions (AK max contract, by-passing George, Leonard (and taking Hayward! Whaaa?), and Parsons in the draft, not trying harder to keep Wesley Mathews, drafting Morris Almond, letting Jefferson and Millsap walk with nothing in return, letting Millsap walk, not offering Demare Carroll a contract and letting him walk, accepting Biedrins in a trade for $9M (I’d sit on the bench for a lot less), etc.) so I’m not at all confident they’ll make the right one here.

I’m lukewarm on Exum. He played no NCAA ball, and is a 19-year old kid who played in Australia. Big deal. Anyone who’s decent will look like a superstar when playing against poor players. Frankly, I think it’s all a lot of hype. He’s going to have a very rude awakening once he starts playing NBA ball. I don’t think he’ll bust, but I also don’t think he’ll be the Jazz savior either. I hope I’m wrong but it will take a few years for it to pan out. Meanwhile, I’m cautiously optimistic. Good thing there’s NFL and NHL to watch during another crappy Jazz season.

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By: Clint Johnson http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94501 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 03:58:08 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94501 I would take Burke over MCW any day. He won rookie of the year playing an unsustainable and inefficient style of ball for one of the worst teams in NBA history. If the Sixers keep trotting out a cobbled together D-League team like last year and letting MCW play fast and sloppy, they just might develop a player who no truly good, disciplined team can use. I’ll take Trey’s 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio and vastly superior shooting mechanics to MCW’s 16.9 TO% and sub-JLIII shooting.

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By: Clint Johnson http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94500 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 03:48:06 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94500 Exum is not as explosive as Burks. He showed a lower max vertical at the combine and the difference on the court when they play is even greater. He’s lightning fast and he really is a good passer, but he doesn’t match Burks’ ability to get off the ground.

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By: Mewko http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94495 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 20:33:19 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94495 I want the Jazz to offer Hayward 4 yrs/46 million, and I think they will. Hayward won’t take that offer, Charlotte will give him 4 yrs/52 million. Hayward will bite the bullet, and the Jazz will match. By the time Hayward and Favors’ contracts are up, it’ll be time to extend Exum. Hayward and Favors will take paycuts, to 8-10 million/yr. Exum will get the max contract and be well worth it.

My take on Exum: He’s like Alec Burks with more speed, vertical, and courtvision. He’s still raw right now, so Alec will start at the 2, Exum gets 20 minutes off the bench, 8 pts 3.5 Assists. In 2016-17 Exum will start with Trey, Alec gets 28-30 minutes per game in the 2nd unit.
Exum’s best statistical season of his career will be: 25 PPG 8 APG 7 RPG 2 SPG
The Year the Jazz win a championship Exum will average: 23 PPG 6 APG 5 RPG 2 SPG

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By: Spencer http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94494 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 19:05:29 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94494 Sorry, sounds like the difference is $27 million and one more year included.

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By: Spencer http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94493 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 19:02:14 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94493 Personal update. The difference is $15 million and Cleveland is screwing things up! They are bringing him in and giving a max offer per reports. ugh! They are like the kid who always gets all the luck and just screws everything up and can’t play.

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By: Spencer http://saltcityhoops.com/the-bipolarity-of-jazz-fandom/#comment-94492 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 18:56:33 +0000 http://saltcityhoops.com/?p=12078#comment-94492 Laura,

Here is my take:

Exum: For the first time in the history of the Jazz franchise there is a chance we have a wing who could be a transcendent player. That is significant. Wings are who the NBA is built for, especially fast ones. He is instantly the most marketable face and personality on the team. Check out his footlocker commercials. I believe there is a lot of value to that. Today it is possible to have a face of the NBA in Utah just like OKC. The key word in all of that is chance. There is a chance we have that player. The great news is we know we have the personality, and character. It sounds like we have the work ethic. I’ll take that risk. Also, I think Exum has as much defensive potential as offensive. That is also a big deal. If Exum can play point guard he could physically dominate his position the way Howard, Griffin, Lebron, Westbrook do theirs. That is a HUGE deal. Wiggins, Embiid and Gordon also have that potential to physically dominate, but they all have questions as well.

Since Stockton left we have made a habit of taking the lower ceiling, safer pick. It has consistently given us the second best option available. Example:

Williams-left Chris Paul
Hayward-Paul George
Kanter-Valenciunas
Burks-Leonard (This may be the exception, but in hindsite Leonard’s fit and skillset would be perfect for our team.)
Burk-MCW

The result has been lots of really nice pieces, but nobody that could transcend. I think Exum has a fairly high floor (solid rotation player who presents miss-matches) and that great ceiling. Just what we needed. It was high-time we swung for the fences.

Hayward

I believe that we will see a completely different result this year. It will become pretty clear pretty quickly that Corbin did not utilize his players very effectively esp Gordon. Also, the pressure will be gone. If I am Hayward, I take a contract in the same range as I was looking for last year 50-55mil. with it front-loaded. This year we have the cap space and every year following we will need more. Jazz fans will love him for it int he future. That will keep the pressure off.

Boston is does not have the cap space to offer a max deal. Phoenix is in the same situation as we are. If I am Lindsey I tell Phoenix. If you offer a max deal for Gordon we match AND we offer a max for Blesdoe. If neither one of us offer the max and we both return our players at a better value. Phoenix can front-load a contract just like us for Bledsoe and everyone is happy, especially in a few years when we are both adding or developing and paying additional pieces to great teams for the next decade.

Cleveland could throw a fly in the ointment here. Hopefully Hayward does not allow that to happen.

By the way, a max from another team is much less than a max we could offer. The difference is something like 27 million.

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